MR 15
de_russka Counter-Terrorist 10 Terrorist 16

Jul 4 2018 11:48AM - Jul 4 2018 12:31PM

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Counter-Terrorists Defeat58.21

Name RWS Frags Assists Deaths Clutches C4 Points Accuracy % HS % ADR FPR RWS-A
Akatsuki chan 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 11.765 0.000 54.0 0.000 12.37
LYNX Captain 0.00 0 1 1 0 0 36.364 0.000 68.0 0.000 11.61
Crusader 0.00 1 0 1 0 0 10.526 0.000 32.0 1.000 12.71
LMIB 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 8.000 0.000 15.0 0.000 11.63
gozunesss 0.00 0 0 1 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.0 0.000 9.89

Terrorists Enemy Killed55.75

Name RWS Frags Assists Deaths Clutches C4 Points Accuracy % HS % ADR FPR RWS-A
Joe Gibson Jr. 44.20 1 1 1 0 0 32.000 12.500 221.0 1.000 15.13
EPORNER 43.20 4 0 0 0 0 22.000 0.000 216.0 4.000 12.69
nkd 11.40 0 0 0 0 0 4.762 0.000 57.0 0.000 11.94
-BEN Captain 1.20 0 0 0 0 0 100.000 0.000 6.0 0.000 10.90
•Drive Like Jehu ™ 0.00 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.0 0.000 5.09
RWS >10% of expected win contributionRWS within 10% of expectedRWS <10% of expected
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Ready Up (Page 1)
R#00 Blood Bath (Team) : rr
R#00 -BEN : rr
R#00 nkd (Team) : .r
R#00 LYNX : .r
R#00 Joe Gibson Jr. : .rtz
R#00 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : .r
R#00 LMIB (Team) : .r
R#00 Crusader : rr
R#00 -BEN : woah ct is mad team
R#00 Blood Bath (Team) : !route2
R#00 Blood Bath (Team) : !route3
R#00 EPORNER (Team) : rr
R#00 •Drive Like Jehu ™ : rr
R#00 -BEN : arty lower your rws lol
R#00 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : rrws
R#00 Akatsuki chan (Team) : qr
R#00 Blood Bath (Team) : rr
Live on 3 (Page 1)
R#00 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : rrws
R#00 nkd (Team) : sstats
Live (Page 1)
R#01 LYNX (Team) : me at a
R#01 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : rrws
R#01 Akatsuki chan (Team) : a
R#01 Akatsuki chan (Team) : a room 3
R#01 Akatsuki chan (Team) : going red room
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : mid room
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : stairs
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : going b
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : going a
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : care a
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : !route2
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : b
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : stairs
R#01 Blood Bath (Team) : riuuning mid
R#01 -BEN (Team) : 2 b
R#01 EPORNER (Team) : save ur pistols
R#01 EPORNER (Team) : haha
R#01 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : site
R#02 Crusader : triple fake ?
R#02 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 4
R#02 LMIB (Team) : 1 more go b
R#02 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 2 mid to b
R#02 nkd (Team) : nt
R#03 nkd (Team) : eco
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : canot see enemy
R#03 nkd (Team) : no buy
R#03 Crusader (Team) : lol
R#03 EPORNER (Team) : rush ramp
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : lynx grande?
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 low
R#03 EPORNER (Team) : plant
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : hhp
R#03 LMIB (Team) : 20hp
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : last low
R#03 Blood Bath (Team) : insite
R#03 EPORNER (Team) : nt
R#03 LYNX (Team) : nice
R#03 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : nt
R#03 Akatsuki chan (Team) : lynx stop flashg just grande
R#04 nkd : and you call coldzera baiter haha
R#04 Crusader : hahah
R#04 Akatsuki chan : hp pin?
R#04 nkd : 100
R#04 LYNX (Team) : upper
R#04 LYNX (Team) : pin upper
R#04 LYNX (Team) : a room 2
R#04 LYNX (Team) : 1 a upper
R#04 LYNX (Team) : dead
R#04 nkd (Team) : ct
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 there
R#04 LYNX (Team) : site both
R#04 Blood Bath (Team) : wtf -99
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 ipp
R#04 Blood Bath (Team) : upper 1 hp
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 up
R#04 nkd (Team) : hhp
R#04 nkd (Team) : 100
R#04 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 hp
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : upper 1
R#04 LMIB (Team) : .hp
R#04 Blood Bath (Team) : hhp
R#04 nkd (Team) : ben jay is 1 hp
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : lol
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : up
R#04 nkd (Team) : ct
R#04 Blood Bath (Team) : hhp
R#04 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nt
R#05 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : ron weasley
R#05 -BEN (Team) : rush ramp?
R#05 nkd (Team) : left side
R#05 Akatsuki chan (Team) : care b
R#05 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 upper
R#05 LMIB (Team) : b
R#05 LMIB (Team) : wtf
R#05 LMIB (Team) : who mid
R#05 LMIB (Team) : nice
R#05 -BEN : omg
R#06 -BEN : ping spike la la lol
R#06 nkd (Team) : kill lala first
R#06 nkd (Team) : he wil always rush
R#06 Akatsuki chan : yea
R#06 -BEN (Team) : we wait for him then
R#06 -BEN (Team) : go b
R#06 Blood Bath (Team) : b celar
R#06 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 2site
R#06 Blood Bath (Team) : avalance
R#06 Akatsuki chan (Team) : ct
R#06 Akatsuki chan (Team) : elft
R#06 Blood Bath (Team) : xD
R#06 Akatsuki chan (Team) : hhp
R#07 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : awp want??
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : buy
R#07 Akatsuki chan (Team) : can i go bs?
R#07 Akatsuki chan (Team) : some 1 go a
R#07 Akatsuki chan (Team) : so lag...
R#07 LYNX (Team) : all a
R#07 LYNX (Team) : a all
R#07 nkd (Team) : go
R#07 nkd (Team) : only awp
R#07 nkd (Team) : rush him
R#07 nkd (Team) : go b
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : upper a
R#07 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 1 a upper
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 mid
R#07 nkd (Team) : 2 a
R#07 nkd (Team) : fake b?
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 upper a 1mid
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : -50
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : upper a
R#07 LYNX (Team) : watching
R#07 nkd (Team) : pin go a
R#07 -BEN (Team) : la la or jan must went b
R#07 nkd (Team) : go a upper
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : hhp
R#07 LYNX (Team) : cruz control
R#07 nkd (Team) : both
R#07 -BEN (Team) : walk uppper
R#07 nkd (Team) : wait for 15 secs
R#07 nkd (Team) : go
R#07 LYNX (Team) : uper
R#07 -BEN (Team) : slope
R#07 LYNX (Team) : site
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : 51 100
R#07 -BEN (Team) : ct
R#07 Akatsuki chan (Team) : stupid lag
R#07 LYNX (Team) : 2 site
R#07 nkd (Team) : hhp
R#07 -BEN (Team) : ct
R#07 nkd (Team) : 40 hp
R#07 nkd (Team) : hide
R#07 -BEN (Team) : low hp hide
R#07 Akatsuki chan (Team) : go save?
R#07 nkd (Team) : pin
R#07 nkd (Team) : pin hide
R#07 -BEN (Team) : pin cover
R#07 Crusader (Team) : nt
R#07 nkd (Team) : nice
R#07 LYNX (Team) : nt
R#07 Blood Bath (Team) : nt
R#08 nkd (Team) : pin you hide next time
R#08 -BEN (Team) : pin got full health he can bait out some shots
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : so lag
R#08 nkd (Team) : no
R#08 LMIB (Team) : go b long
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : vent blown
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : mid
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 b long
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 b long
R#08 nkd (Team) : lower
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 mid stairs
R#08 nkd (Team) : go b
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : ;.oplol
R#08 -BEN (Team) : short 1
R#08 -BEN (Team) : down
R#08 nkd (Team) : go a
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : mid?
R#08 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#08 nkd (Team) : fast
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : hhp
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : -27
R#08 nkd (Team) : run
R#08 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 73 hp
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : hhp
R#08 Blood Bath (Team) : 28
R#08 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : shite
R#09 Akatsuki chan (Team) : man this lag spike suck
R#09 Crusader : u see baitzera
R#09 Akatsuki chan (Team) : !route 1
R#09 Akatsuki chan (Team) : !route 1
R#09 -BEN : ...
R#09 Akatsuki chan (Team) : b long
R#09 -BEN (Team) : 2 a
R#09 EPORNER : fu
R#09 -BEN (Team) : go a
R#09 LYNX (Team) : wtf
R#09 -BEN (Team) : cy
R#09 Crusader : lol
R#09 LYNX (Team) : i am watching ramps
R#09 -BEN (Team) : dont peak
R#09 Crusader : ez hs
R#09 -BEN (Team) : ct
R#09 LMIB (Team) : how you both died
R#10 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : take bomb
R#10 LYNX (Team) : coming
R#10 LYNX (Team) : going back
R#10 -BEN (Team) : upper a
R#10 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 1 upper
R#10 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#10 LYNX (Team) : 2 a room
R#10 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 40 hp
R#10 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : la la
R#10 -BEN (Team) : bb in b short
R#10 LYNX (Team) : uper 1
R#10 LMIB (Team) : mid
R#10 LYNX (Team) : mid care
R#10 -BEN (Team) : go
R#10 LYNX (Team) : lol
R#10 LYNX (Team) : nice
R#10 LYNX (Team) : mid
R#10 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : didnt u hear his footsteps
R#10 Blood Bath (Team) : awper
R#10 LYNX (Team) : both were abt to throw shit but lala shat first
R#10 Blood Bath (Team) : hes holding
R#10 Akatsuki chan : lol
R#10 LYNX (Team) : nice
R#11 -BEN (Team) : he is always b short
R#11 -BEN (Team) : go b
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : awp here
R#11 nkd (Team) : double nade ramps
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : jan
R#11 nkd (Team) : ok b
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : avalce
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : ava
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : b
R#11 LMIB (Team) : they're all low
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : all b
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 there
R#11 LMIB (Team) : 1 more
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 more
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : last long
R#11 -BEN (Team) : sit e1
R#11 -BEN (Team) : site 1
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : with awp
R#11 -BEN (Team) : b short 2
R#11 Akatsuki chan (Team) : with bom
R#11 Blood Bath (Team) : n1
R#12 nkd (Team) : again
R#12 Akatsuki chan (Team) : rushing a main
R#12 Akatsuki chan (Team) : dont flash
R#12 EPORNER (Team) : ty
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : avalcne 2
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : 3 avalance
R#12 -BEN (Team) : go
R#12 -BEN (Team) : fast
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : 3 avalance
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : B
R#12 nkd (Team) : short
R#12 LMIB (Team) : awper
R#12 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#12 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : bothe site
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : awper
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : dont peak
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : peek
R#12 LYNX (Team) : c4 here
R#12 nkd (Team) : short
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : lmao
R#12 LYNX (Team) : wtf
R#12 nkd (Team) : lol
R#12 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : noice
R#12 Blood Bath (Team) : wtf
R#12 -BEN : lol
R#12 nkd : lmao retard
R#13 LYNX (Team) : avalanache keep saying
R#13 LYNX (Team) : fo rhow long
R#13 -BEN (Team) : ramps
R#13 nkd (Team) : doble nade ramps
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 4 nade a
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nope
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : clear
R#13 nkd (Team) : go
R#13 nkd (Team) : a
R#13 LYNX (Team) : uper 2
R#13 LYNX (Team) : pper 2
R#13 LYNX (Team) : 3
R#13 LYNX (Team) : upper 3
R#13 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 site
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 upper
R#13 -BEN (Team) : UPPER
R#13 Akatsuki chan (Team) : ent
R#13 nkd (Team) : site
R#13 nkd (Team) : nt
R#13 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : lol that hop
R#13 EPORNER (Team) : lol
R#13 Crusader (Team) : n1
R#13 LYNX (Team) : n1
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : omg myu ping
R#14 -BEN (Team) : RUSH RAMP
R#14 nkd (Team) : double nade ramps
R#14 LYNX (Team) : uper
R#14 Blood Bath (Team) : retreat
R#14 LYNX (Team) : u2 more
R#14 LYNX (Team) : 3 more
R#14 LYNX (Team) : go bb
R#14 LYNX (Team) : bb cross mid
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : going mid 2
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : going mid to b
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : omg bb
R#14 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : jan camp b
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 site
R#14 nkd (Team) : 1 ct
R#14 nkd (Team) : ct
R#14 nkd (Team) : ct
R#14 nkd (Team) : ct
R#14 nkd (Team) : hide
R#14 Akatsuki chan (Team) : hhp
R#14 Blood Bath (Team) : sry
R#14 nkd (Team) : hhp
R#14 nkd (Team) : ..
R#14 Akatsuki chan : no1
R#14 LYNX (Team) : nice'
R#14 Blood Bath (Team) : n1
R#14 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : lul
R#14 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#14 nkd (Team) : why fight
R#14 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : when u can camp
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : i can drop awp
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : jan
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : ez money
R#15 Akatsuki chan : OMG
R#15 -BEN (Team) : 2 A
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 up
R#15 LYNX (Team) : uoer
R#15 -BEN (Team) : 1 A
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 up
R#15 LYNX (Team) : 1
R#15 -BEN (Team) : GO A
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : only 1
R#15 LYNX (Team) : 2 upper
R#15 LYNX (Team) : c4 upper
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nope
R#15 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : ct 1
R#15 -BEN (Team) : CT 1
R#15 -BEN (Team) : AWP
R#15 nkd (Team) : roof
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : CARE FAKE
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R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nt
R#15 nkd (Team) : nice
R#15 LMIB (Team) : .r
R#15 Blood Bath (Team) : rr
R#15 EPORNER (Team) : rr
R#15 -BEN : RR
R#15 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : .r
R#15 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : lol??
R#15 LYNX : .r
R#15 •Drive Like Jehu ™ : rr
R#15 Crusader : rr
R#15 nkd (Team) : .r
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : score good for ct
R#15 Akatsuki chan : qr
Live on 3 (Page 1)
R#15 Akatsuki chan (Team) : !route 2
R#15 •Drive Like Jehu ™ : lalala always late
Live (Page 1)
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : !route 1
R#16 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : me a
R#16 LYNX (Team) : rush mid to b
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : !route 2
R#16 nkd (Team) : stack b
R#16 -BEN : he needs to activate his hack
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : me b s
R#16 nkd (Team) : i mean a
R#16 nkd (Team) : sttack a
R#16 -BEN (Team) : all site
R#16 -BEN (Team) : 1 slope
R#16 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 1 ct
R#16 -BEN (Team) : 1 slope
R#16 LMIB (Team) : b long 1
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 b sgort
R#16 LMIB (Team) : .kickafks
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 3 b
R#16 -BEN (Team) : down
R#16 LYNX (Team) : wtf
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : zzzzz
R#16 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : ct ded
R#16 nkd (Team) : a
R#16 -BEN (Team) : a
R#16 Akatsuki chan : bom afk
R#16 Akatsuki chan : t base
R#16 -BEN (Team) : b
R#16 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : hhp
R#16 LYNX (Team) : go a
R#16 LYNX (Team) : go a
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : clutch or kick
R#16 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : how come crus didnt get flashed ?
R#16 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : spidey sense
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : lol
R#16 Crusader : hhp
R#16 -BEN (Team) : he is behind the pillar
R#16 Crusader (Team) : 34 71
R#16 nkd (Team) : flank
R#16 Akatsuki chan (Team) : u got this
R#16 Blood Bath (Team) : cannot see kidd
R#17 Blood Bath (Team) : hes still
R#17 EPORNER (Team) : also ace
R#17 LYNX (Team) : mid control
R#17 nkd (Team) : nice
R#17 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nt
R#17 nkd (Team) : mid
R#17 Blood Bath (Team) : 1 upper 1 lower
R#17 Blood Bath (Team) : a
R#17 LYNX (Team) : wtf
R#17 nkd (Team) : 1 a upper
R#17 LYNX (Team) : why so many
R#17 EPORNER (Team) : mid
R#17 Akatsuki chan (Team) : wtf that bait
R#17 Akatsuki chan (Team) : is real
R#17 Blood Bath (Team) : .need
R#17 Akatsuki chan (Team) : hhp
R#17 nkd (Team) : hold him there
R#17 LYNX (Team) : ewait
R#17 nkd : lol stuck between tits?
R#17 nkd : stay there
R#17 nkd : haha
R#18 Crusader : lol
R#18 LYNX (Team) : mid one guy is enough
R#18 Crusader : this arty fcking prefire evry time
R#18 Crusader : fck u
R#18 Crusader : arty
R#18 Joe Gibson Jr. : *DEAD*(Counter-Terrorist) Kidd. : hold him there
R#18 Joe Gibson Jr. : igl said
R#18 Akatsuki chan (Team) : u check
R#18 LYNX (Team) : mid 1 a side
R#18 LYNX (Team) : pper 1
R#18 LYNX (Team) : a 2
R#18 Blood Bath (Team) : sspec
R#18 Blood Bath (Team) : nned
R#18 Blood Bath (Team) : nneed
R#18 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 there
R#18 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 3 there
R#18 nkd : lol 2 hp 3k
R#18 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 b s
R#18 EPORNER (Team) : hhp
R#19 LYNX (Team) : rush a all
R#19 Akatsuki chan (Team) : we need rush
R#19 Akatsuki chan (Team) : together
R#19 LYNX (Team) : a rush
R#19 gozunesss (Team) : who left?
R#19 Akatsuki chan (Team) : blodd bath
R#19 LYNX (Team) : go guys
R#19 LYNX (Team) : left
R#19 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 3 ramp
R#19 Joe Gibson Jr. (Team) : 4
R#19 LYNX (Team) : check upper
R#19 nkd (Team) : ace?
R#20 LYNX (Team) : guys you are not rushing
R#20 EPORNER (Team) : i dont know haha
R#20 nkd (Team) : sorry was afk
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : so many flash lol sorry canot hear
R#20 -BEN : i just white screen whole round and win wtf
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : this mid guy
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : mid
R#20 Akatsuki chan : lol
R#20 LYNX (Team) : .hp
R#20 nkd (Team) : fuck no headphone no party
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : go b fast
R#20 Crusader (Team) : inform i day then u tell mid
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 1 more b
R#20 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : yeah arty
R#20 Crusader (Team) : *die
R#20 LYNX (Team) : plant
R#20 nkd (Team) : both short
R#20 EPORNER (Team) : site
R#20 LMIB (Team) : mid
R#20 -BEN (Team) : site
R#20 Akatsuki chan (Team) : BS
R#20 nkd (Team) : woah
R#20 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : noice
R#20 gozunesss (Team) : i dont know where b short is
R#20 gozunesss (Team) : lol
R#20 nkd : n1 bra
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : p90 b short
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : and grande?
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 bs
R#21 nkd (Team) : care vents
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 CT
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : GOING B
R#21 nkd (Team) : crus low
R#21 nkd (Team) : short
R#21 nkd (Team) : coming b
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : a clear
R#21 nkd (Team) : short
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : a clear
R#21 nkd (Team) : low
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : 2 ct
R#21 •Drive Like Jehu ™ (Team) : u said to care vents goddamnit
R#21 nkd (Team) : nice
R#21 Akatsuki chan (Team) : nt
R#21 nkd (Team) : defuse
R#21 nkd (Team) : wtf jay
R#21 nkd (Team) : haha
R#21 EPORNER (Team) : hahah
R#21 nkd (Team) : killing ghosts?